AP Article on Antioxidants

December 12, 2005 by admin Leave a Comment

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I wonder why the Asians get less pc than the western countries. Must be something that we ate. But some have (Japanese) a higher rate of stomach cancer. Who really knows how to prevent and protect and really cure. Let me know asap.

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"Bob Anthony" wrote I wonder why the Asians get less pc than the western countries. Must be something that we ate. But some have (Japanese) a higher rate of stomach cancer. Who really knows how to prevent and protect and really cure. Let me know asap.

I could tell ya, but Glassman would tell ya just the opposite, leaving you back at Square One. So it’s just like PC advice: get it from the experts —   universities, hospitals, huge peer-reviewed independent trials, megastudies of many huge peer-reviewed independent trials, etc. — rather than us anecdotal weiners. But if your genes encourage cancer and you live in the western world, all you can do is shift the odds a bit (?) in your favor, so there’s no point getting absolutely obsessed by diet. I.P. (Hint: What I’d tell ya COMES from those experts.)

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"Tom Cular" wrote I’ve reduced the red meat  and fat intake. I haven’t stopped it, because as you’ve often said, QOL IS IMPORTANT ).

So are many nutrients common in red meats. We CAN get them elsewhere, but occasional, very lean, trimmed, properly cooked red meat surely is a tasty, convenient, and generally healthy way to get them. And we NEED some sat fats (but the only folks who say we need trans fats sell trans fats.) Would Glassman have avoided PC if he had dropped his high-sat-fat diet decades ago? Did the huge quantities of sat fats, including red meat, I ate until the 1980s give me PC and CC? Will his continued fatty diet or my continued low-sat-fat diet hurt or help either one of us in the future? Statistics and genes have their opinions, but nobody knows about any one individual. BTW, bystanders: pork is red meat, despite what their ads say. Red meat = mammal meat. (Someone actually asked me about that once.) I.P.

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"Tom Cular" posted … Experts Urge Less Focus on Antioxidants By J.M. HIRSCH Associated Press Writer Tired of trying to keep track of all the so-called superfoods you’re supposed to eat? Then here’s the good news – you can stop trying. Leading researchers say . . . Snip

I’ve been preaching this since the ’90s, and I surely wasn’t the first. Mother Nature packages nutrients with the OTHER micronutrients necessary to metabolize them, and we’re probably closer to cracking the DNA code than the "micronutrient code". I.P.

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I.P., I’m certainly not a nutrition expert, but the idea of a balanced diet was taught to me as a child, (I’ve since reduced the red meat  and fat intake. I haven’t stopped it, because as you’ve often said, QOL IS IMPORTANT ). If I were to follow the nutritional supplement recomendations offered by the famous Dr. D. in FL I’d have a tough time paying for , not to mention Tom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Tom Cular" posted … Experts Urge Less Focus on Antioxidants By J.M. HIRSCH Associated Press Writer Tired of trying to keep track of all the so-called superfoods you’re supposed to eat? Then here’s the good news – you can stop trying. Leading researchers say . . . Snip I’ve been preaching this since the ’90s, and I surely wasn’t the first. Mother Nature packages nutrients with the OTHER micronutrients necessary to metabolize them, and we’re probably closer to cracking the DNA code than the "micronutrient code". I.P.

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Experts Urge Less Focus on Antioxidants By J.M. HIRSCH Associated Press Writer Tired of trying to keep track of all the so-called superfoods you’re supposed to eat? You know, oregano that packs 42 times more antioxidants than apples, cooked tomatoes that may prevent prostate cancer, and chocolate and wine that may or may not be health foods? Then here’s the good news – you can stop trying. Leading researchers say all those breathless headlines, food packaging claims and seemingly contradictory studies about what antioxidants can and can’t do have fostered a faulty silver bullet mind-set that can hinder health more than help. Instead, experts advise focusing on balance, moderation and variety, and leaving the phytochemicals, flavanols and phenolic acids to scientists. Researcher Jeffrey Blumberg acknowledges that "doesn’t seem to be a very sexy message. People would rather be told there is a superfood, a term I hate because in fact there is no such thing." Foods labeled as antioxidant-rich – everything from bottled tea to bags of frozen berries – have become a $526 million industry that continues to grow. Even foods that otherwise have seen sales slump are getting a boost from antioxidant claims, says Phil Lempert, a food industry analyst and editor of SupermarketGuru.com. Sales of blueberry preserves, for example, are up, though overall jam sales are down. "It’s clear that regardless of whether or not people understand what ‘rich in antioxidants’ means, it is certainly a logo or a stamp that says ‘Buy me! I’m going to help you live forever,’" Lempert says. Maybe. Maybe not. Experts aren’t suggesting antioxidants aren’t important or that people shouldn’t eat foods that contain them. Instead, they’re saying not enough is known about how they work to justify focusing one’s diet on any particular antioxidant or food. It’s all about quashing free radicals, harmful chemicals produced by the body and found in the environment that damage cells. That damage has been linked to a host of chronic conditions, from heart problems to cancer, even aging. Diets rich in antioxidants – which are in countless foods – seem to minimize this damage. What’s not clear is whether that benefit is due to the antioxidants themselves or to the overall diet and the way the antioxidants and other nutrients in it interact. The evidence increasingly suggests the latter, says Howard Sesso, a professor of medicine at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston. That means eating patterns make a difference, but probably not eating particular foods or taking supplements. Diets rich in beta carotene, for example, have been found to help prevent heart disease and cancer, but studies of beta carotene supplements alone have been mostly disappointing. And there is little evidence that one antioxidant is better than another. Also unknown is whether quantity counts. Manufacturers brag about the amount of antioxidants in their products, but studies have yet to establish that more is better, or whether the body can even absorb the amounts contained in most foods. Blumberg, a scientist at Tufts University’s Friedman School of Nutrition, worries that the hype about antioxidants creates a false sense of security. Eating a daily handful of almonds – believed good for heart health – won’t make up for a diet otherwise laden with saturated fat and cholesterol. So how should people work antioxidants into their diets? Think big picture. Healthy diets are like healthy investment portfolios – diversified, says John Erdman Jr., a professor of internal medicine at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Eating a variety of produce and whole grains ensures the best mix of all nutrients. There’s probably not much harm in eating a lot of blueberries, but that can’t be said of all antioxidant-rich foods. The calories in fruit juice and alcohol, for example, add up quickly and obesity negates the benefits of even the healthiest foods. Even people trying to address specific health problems would do better to eat a broad mix of foods than to tailor their diets around certain ingredients, the experts say. "When people get prostate cancer, all of the sudden they make all the changes in their diet," Erdman says. "We don’t even know if those changes make a difference then. But we know that if people eat that diet before getting cancer, you don’t tend to get it." Consumers also must be critical of companies’ health claims about antioxidants, many of which are unregulated and unsupported by science. And studies often are funded by the industries that benefit when products are dubbed superfoods. Bottom line – eat a balanced diet and don’t get hung up on the particulars.

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Points values of diet shakes?

July 16, 2005 by admin Leave a Comment

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She’s lost 30+ pounds. I’m sure they have the necessary info on them, but I assumed there’d be someone who already knew and all I had to do was ask. Thanks for your help. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Y’all, Am fairly new here, so please excuse if this question has come up before. Has anyone here figured out the points for diet shakes such as Glucerna or SlimFast? The containers don’t have nutrition info on them?  My husband picked up a four-pack of SlimFast canned chocolate ones a while back.. three of them are still in my fridge.  They’re labeled individually, 180 calories, 5g fiber, 5g fat, so 3 points for the 11oz can.  Other flavors might vary, and Glucerna may be totally different, but they really ought to be labeled. How much has your wife lost so far? -Tay

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don’t know your points answer but welcome and best of success to both of you, Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Y’all, Am fairly new here, so please excuse if this question has come up before. Has anyone here figured out the points for diet shakes such as Glucerna or SlimFast? My wife and I are members of the local WW chapter. She’s been working on her goal for nearly 2 years and has 25# to go. I just started and have a long way to go. Cheers. Joe_Stein

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I dunno about Glucerna, but I drink the SlimFast chocolate shakes for breakfast sometimes, and they’re 3 points a can. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Y’all, Am fairly new here, so please excuse if this question has come up before. Has anyone here figured out the points for diet shakes such as Glucerna or SlimFast? My wife and I are members of the local WW chapter. She’s been working on her goal for nearly 2 years and has 25# to go. I just started and have a long way to go. Cheers. Joe_Stein

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Hi Y’all, Am fairly new here, so please excuse if this question has come up before. Has anyone here figured out the points for diet shakes such as Glucerna or SlimFast? My wife and I are members of the local WW chapter. She’s been working on her goal for nearly 2 years and has 25# to go. I just started and have a long way to go. Cheers. Joe_Stein

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Hi Y’all, Am fairly new here, so please excuse if this question has come up before. Has anyone here figured out the points for diet shakes such as Glucerna or SlimFast?

The containers don’t have nutrition info on them?  My husband picked up a four-pack of SlimFast canned chocolate ones a while back.. three of them are still in my fridge.  They’re labeled individually, 180 calories, 5g fiber, 5g fat, so 3 points for the 11oz can.  Other flavors might vary, and Glucerna may be totally different, but they really ought to be labeled. How much has your wife lost so far? -Tay

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Protein powders

June 6, 2005 by admin Leave a Comment

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Protein powders seem to be either whey or soy isolates, what’s the difference between them? Is one better than the other?

Generally speaking, whey is superior to soy. The most common way to measure protein quality is the biological value (BV). Soy has a BV of 74; whey a BV of 104. But your protein choice is not mutually exclusive, and a few grams (perhaps 20 per day) of soy protein could be beneficial. Some studies have shown that soy can reduce cholesterol and perhaps even reduce the risk of cancer. Soy protein also might increases thyroid output which could be useful for someone attempting to lose body fat. Matthew

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Protein powders seem to be either whey or soy isolates, what’s the difference between them? Is one better than the other?

Have a read here – notice the categories w/explanation: http://www23.netrition.com/whey_protein.html Then also read about protein powder verses eating protein foods: http://tinyurl.com/acrbs joanne

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Some believe that soy proteins include alien proteins that cause adverse reactions in the body.  http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Soy%20Allergens.html

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Protein powders seem to be either whey or soy isolates, what’s the difference between them? Is one better than the other?

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Protein powders seem to be either whey or soy isolates, what’s the difference between them? Is one better than the other?

What do you want them to do? Matthew

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Protein powders seem to be either whey or soy isolates, what’s the difference between them? Is one better than the other?

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Protein powders seem to be either whey or soy isolates, what’s the difference between them? Is one better than the other?

This might help explain the differences. http://atkins.com/helpatkins/newfaq/answers/WhatIsTheDifferenceBetwee… Sorry about the wrap Beverly

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Protein powders seem to be either whey or soy isolates, what’s the difference between them? Is one better than the other? Generally speaking, whey is superior to soy. The most common way to measure protein quality is the biological value (BV). Soy has a BV of 74; whey a BV of 104.

I was wondering why whey is generally more expensive, that could explain it. I still have some soy isolate powder but I recently bought some whey powder because it was at half price, making it the same price as the soy isolate. The original price was double for the whey powder. But your protein choice is not mutually exclusive, and a few grams (perhaps 20 per day) of soy protein could be beneficial. Some studies have shown that soy can reduce cholesterol and perhaps even reduce the risk of cancer. Soy protein also might increases thyroid output which could be useful for someone attempting to lose body fat.

That’s what I always thought, but some studies claim that soy can have adverse effects (see Cubit’s post above).

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – a few grams (perhaps 20 per day) of soy protein could be beneficial. Some studies have shown that soy can reduce cholesterol and perhaps even reduce the risk of cancer. Soy protein also might increases thyroid output which could be useful for someone attempting to lose body fat. That’s what I always thought, but some studies claim that soy can have adverse effects (see Cubit’s post above).

Soy does indeed have some adverse effects and it goes beyond the link Cubit posted as it can be detrimental even in those without allergies. Soy contains lectins and protease inhibitors which hinder the digestion and absorbtion of some nutrients. This could be a concern for those on a calorie restricted diet. Soy is also high in estrogenic compounds–probably the reason it has been shown to lower cholesterol–which could be problematic for men in high doses. Personally I get about 10-20g of soy protein per day with no known adverse effects. Matthew

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Many thanks to all of you guys for all the info, I’m glad I decided on the whey even though I had my doubts since it’s got only 75% protein vs 95% in the soy isolate. Maybe I’ll get more whey whilst it’s still at half price.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – a few grams (perhaps 20 per day) of soy protein could be beneficial. Some studies have shown that soy can reduce cholesterol and perhaps even reduce the risk of cancer. Soy protein also might increases thyroid output which could be useful for someone attempting to lose body fat. That’s what I always thought, but some studies claim that soy can have adverse effects (see Cubit’s post above). Soy does indeed have some adverse effects and it goes beyond the link Cubit posted as it can be detrimental even in those without allergies. Soy contains lectins and protease inhibitors which hinder the digestion and absorbtion of some nutrients. This could be a concern for those on a calorie restricted diet. Soy is also high in estrogenic compounds–probably the reason it has been shown to lower cholesterol–which could be problematic for men in high doses. Personally I get about 10-20g of soy protein per day with no known adverse effects. Matthew

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Protein powders seem to be either whey or soy isolates, what’s the difference between them? Is one better than the other? What do you want them to do?

Nothing special, I add them to breakfast smoothies, shakes, yoghurt, oatmeal, etc. because protein keeps hunger away longer than just carbs & I don’t usually feel like eating ‘proper food’ early in the morning. Sometimes I also have a little skim milk with protein powder if I’m hungry after dinner, it usually does the trick.

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I was wondering why whey is generally more expensive, that could explain it. I still have some soy isolate powder but I recently bought some whey powder because it was at half price, making it the same price as the soy isolate. The original price was double for the whey powder.

Where do you get your whey powder. I’ve been buying mine here for the past year or so – http://tinyurl.com/8lxfo (nfi) A 5 lb container is 23.99 + 5.95 shipping. I usually get 2 at a time, since it’s the same price for shipping. That comes out to 10 lbs for $53.93. At 32 grams per serving, that’s about 142 servings. About 38 cents per serving. 1 serving is 22 grams of protein. — Phil M.

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Whey protein tastes great. I have a jar with plain WP, no sugar added, and it has wonderful taste, like evaporated milk.

After a Sunday long run there is nothing better than relaxing on my porch sipping my patented "slimfast, skim milk, whey powder, banana" smoothie. :-) — Phil M.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Many thanks to all of you guys for all the info, I’m glad I decided on the whey even though I had my doubts since it’s got only 75% protein vs 95% in the soy isolate. Maybe I’ll get more whey whilst it’s still at half price. a few grams (perhaps 20 per day) of soy protein could be beneficial. Some studies have shown that soy can reduce cholesterol and perhaps even reduce the risk of cancer. Soy protein also might increases thyroid output which could be useful for someone attempting to lose body fat. That’s what I always thought, but some studies claim that soy can have adverse effects (see Cubit’s post above). Soy does indeed have some adverse effects and it goes beyond the link Cubit posted as it can be detrimental even in those without allergies. Soy contains lectins and protease inhibitors which hinder the digestion and absorbtion of some nutrients. This could be a concern for those on a calorie restricted diet. Soy is also high in estrogenic compounds–probably the reason it has been shown to lower cholesterol–which could be problematic for men in high doses. Personally I get about 10-20g of soy protein per day with no known adverse effects. Matthew

Whey also has adverse affects for some. I’m allergic to it and the one time I tried it, I was more sick than I had ever been in my life. In fact, it scared me big time I was so ill. I do use soy protein powder at times when I need a little extra protein, though and I love the taste. Martha – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Hopefully someday soon an actual full-blown clinical study is done on collagen hydrolysate for weight loss purposes, but until that time, there’s nothing dangerous about it, and if it works, why not?

Well because there is something dangerous about it, and it does not work. I could put magical dehydrated water capsules in a bottle and if I packaged it with dosage instructions that fooled the user into eating less could I say those pills work? Without adequate protein supplementation, the body will preferentially use protein tissue from muscles and organs. No amount of collagen–and certainly not the relatively small amount found in any pill form–would qualify as adequate protein supplementation. You might google on the "Last Chance Diet" for an idea of why there are not many researchers interested in a large-scale study on the use of collagen for weight loss. Have you checked that pork rind nutrition label yet? Collagen is not a significant source of dietary protein for humans. Matthew

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There’s been a few European studies now that have shown its benefits for joints And just because you think I’m being mean, I will grant you this point. Benefits to connective tissues is the currently the only legitimate use for collagen. If you have studies showing any other benefits, I’m all ears. Matthew

This is an interesting article from the Cosmetic Surgery Times on oral collagen supplements’ benefits for facial aging: http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0HMW/is_2_7/ai_114402927 If you wanted info on collagen’s effects on joints and bones, the papers and articles are numerous. In the case of collagen’s weight loss effects, however, there haven’t been any big-budget clinical studies done on them, either to prove or disprove their effects, as there aren’t any interested major pharmaceutical companies with the big money required to finance these things. Most collagen weight loss supplement sales come through word of mouth recommendations from people’s personal weight loss experiences using the supplements. There have been quite a few small-scale efforts made at studying collagen’s effects, but these are mostly funded by the companies MAKING the product, which is done all the time in the pharmaceutical world on a larger scale, but to me isn’t the best idea, because of a conflict of interest for the researchers to find good results. This pilot study on collagen hydrolysate supplement’s effect on weight loss is an example of these small studies that sprinkle the internet: http://www.bodystat.com/Val%2019.pdf However, while the robust clinical evidence is still lacking either for or against collagen’s effects on weight loss, if you think about it, the same properties that have been proven to make collagen great for repairing the tissues in bones, joints, muscles, and skin, also would logically lead to weight loss. Think about it: collagen weight loss supplements are to be taken on an empty stomach. As your body is using the collagen to rebuild its tissues (as it is well-documented that it does), with no food to suck nutrients from for the process, your body would burn fat deposits instead. In combination with supplemental ingredients such as aloe or lecithin, which are known to promote better digestion or metabolization of fat tissues, there are logical reasons why so many people are losing weight on products like Total Trim. Hopefully someday soon an actual full-blown clinical study is done on collagen hydrolysate for weight loss purposes, but until that time, there’s nothing dangerous about it, and if it works, why not?

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There’s been a few European studies now that have shown its benefits for joints And just because you think I’m being mean, I will grant you this point. Benefits to connective tissues is the currently the only legitimate use for collagen. If you have studies showing any other benefits, I’m all ears.

For years collagen has been used in beauty products because of its alleged ‘rejuvenating’ and ‘anti-wrinkle’ properties. I never thought about it as something you’d eat.

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Actually, whey has uses other than for bodybuilders. For example, it is used to make cream cheese and some cheeses. That’s why it is relatively expensive, compared to soy. Soy is so cheap that is it fed to pigs and other animals.

You are not talking about soy isolate (95% protein), are you?

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Actually, whey has uses other than for bodybuilders. For example, it is used to make cream cheese and some cheeses. That’s why it is relatively expensive, compared to soy. Soy is so cheap that is it fed to pigs and other animals. You are not talking about soy isolate (95% protein), are you?

Nope.  It’s more of the same putting down what he doesn’t agree with. He’s repeats this one tired dig about soybean *meal* because he knows there are people here who enjoy using it as a reasonable source for lean protein and carbs.  The fact that people don’t usually eat soybean meal but instead other formulations have little to do with it. — the volleyballchick

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There’s been a few European studies now that have shown its benefits for joints

And just because you think I’m being mean, I will grant you this point. Benefits to connective tissues is the currently the only legitimate use for collagen. If you have studies showing any other benefits, I’m all ears. Matthew

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Another thing you might want to try is some kind of collagen protein supplement. … Collagen is a cheap protein source that provides almost no nutrition to the customer and a lot of profit to the seller. As for collagen, I’m not sure why you’d say it provides no nutrition.

Read the label on a bag of pork rinds next time you’re at the supermarket. Matthew

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The whey bought by bodybuilders, et. al is not comparable to the slop fed to pigs in Vermont. Are you familiar with the terms isolate or concentrate? So you do know the word isolate. But even the isolate is deficient in the amino acid methionine. …. Another thing you might want to try is some kind of collagen protein supplement. … Collagen is a cheap protein source that provides almost no nutrition to the customer and a lot of profit to the seller. Your first spamming was much funnier than the second. Quit while you’re ahead. Matthew

Thanks for the warm welcome, Matt, You’re right, the whey now is not the same as the raw cheese waste, its been processed into concentrates and isolates. But I never claimed it was.. sorry if you took the jab at body-builders seriously. Even if there is no methionine in soy isolate, which I didn’t realize, its still true that studies haven’t shown any real difference in weight gain between those using the soy or whey. I can only assume you’re a big proponent of whey, or you wouldnt have reacted so violently. As for collagen, I’m not sure why you’d say it provides no nutrition. When I built the site for Total Trim, I had to go through a lot of information on the product and it was pretty convincing, for me at least. There’s been a few European studies now that have shown its benefits for joints and muscles, and clinical studies are beginning to come out showing its basis for weight loss too. Who trusts those Europeans though, right, Matt? ;) Sorry if you felt like I was spamming, but I’m kind of proud of the site, plus it’s a good product! I guess it was kind of weird me mentioning it twice in such a close period of time though. If you want to fight real spammers, there are plenty around here. Maybe you’ve had a bad experience taking collagen? I’m curious as to what’s caused your knee-jerk reaction. Adam

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Protein powders seem to be either whey or soy isolates, what’s the difference between them? Is one better than the other? No, one isn’t really better than the other. Apparently in every study comparing soy, whey and egg proteins so far, theres been virtually no difference in weight gain outcomes. Most people do not realize whey protein’s humble origins. Originally, whey was a by-product of cheese production. Cheese is mostly fat and casein. In the cheese making process, whey was a left over by-product, and it was simply poured down the drain. Now, that was some time ago – back then, the manufacturers thought, wouldn’t it be nice if we could find a way to sell the waste and make some money out of it. And the stuff was cheap as could be. Maybe they thought, "we’ll sell it to bodybuilders! They’ll eat (believe) anything." And the rest is history.

The whey bought by bodybuilders, et. al is not comparable to the slop fed to pigs in Vermont. Are you familiar with the terms isolate or concentrate? History has repeated itself for the other sources of protein as well, when eggs were cheap, they were the preferred protein, now that they are not quite the bargain they once were, they are no longer in vogue. Later on, dairy subsidies made milk casein pricing more attractive, so it then became the star. Then along came whey, and you know the rest of the story. Soy originally was not deemed a good source of protein, since it was a plant, but Soy isolate powders are every bit as good.

So you do know the word isolate. But even the isolate is deficient in the amino acid methionine. Another thing you might want to try is some kind of collagen protein supplement.

Collagen is a cheap protein source that provides almost no nutrition to the customer and a lot of profit to the seller. Your first spamming was much funnier than the second. Quit while you’re ahead. Matthew

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Protein powders seem to be either whey or soy isolates, what’s the difference between them? Is one better than the other?

No, one isn’t really better than the other. Apparently in every study comparing soy, whey and egg proteins so far, theres been virtually no difference in weight gain outcomes. Most people do not realize whey protein’s humble origins. Originally, whey was a by-product of cheese production. Cheese is mostly fat and casein. In the cheese making process, whey was a left over by-product, and it was simply poured down the drain. Now, that was some time ago – back then, the manufacturers thought, wouldn’t it be nice if we could find a way to sell the waste and make some money out of it. And the stuff was cheap as could be. Maybe they thought, "we’ll sell it to bodybuilders! They’ll eat (believe) anything." And the rest is history. History has repeated itself for the other sources of protein as well, when eggs were cheap, they were the preferred protein, now that they are not quite the bargain they once were, they are no longer in vogue. Later on, dairy subsidies made milk casein pricing more attractive, so it then became the star. Then along came whey, and you know the rest of the story. Soy originally was not deemed a good source of protein, since it was a plant, but Soy isolate powders are every bit as good. Another thing you might want to try is some kind of collagen protein supplement. Its usually derived from a meat source, chicken, pork, fish… The best collagen is from deep sea fish. But studies have shown it has a great effect on joints and muscles, often a regenerative effect. A friend of mine is using a collagen supplement for weight loss and its supposed to be among the better ones. www.mytotaltrim.com In short, other than collagen proteins, they all basically have the same effect on your body.

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Protein powders seem to be either whey or soy isolates, what’s the difference between them?

Also egg protein isolate. Whey is a part of milk.  Little miss Muffet sat on her tuffet eating her curds and whey.  Whey is the liquid that drips out when milk curdles to form cheese.  So whey is lacto-ovo-vegitarian but it is not vegan. Egg protein comes from eggs.  Also lacto-ovo not vegan. Soy isolate comes from soy beans, so it is vegan. Is one better than the other?

Depends on how you define "better".  At one time there was an advertising jiggle "Eggs.  Nature’s most nearly perfect food".  At one point a set of amino acid ratios was determined optimal for human consumption and eggs were the food closest.  Going by amino acid ratios, it would go egg best, whey middle, soy worst of the three.  I doubt the difference in amino acid ratios matters all that much, though.

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I was wondering why whey is generally more expensive, that could explain it. I still have some soy isolate powder but I recently bought some whey powder because it was at half price, making it the same price as the soy isolate. The original price was double for the whey powder. Where do you get your whey powder.

Holland & Barrett I’ve been buying mine here for the past year or so – http://tinyurl.com/8lxfo (nfi) A 5 lb container is 23.99 + 5.95 shipping. I usually get 2 at a time, since it’s the same price for shipping. That comes out to 10 lbs for $53.93. At 32 grams per serving, that’s about 142 servings. About 38 cents per serving. 1 serving is 22 grams of protein.

Thanks for the tip, unfortunately I don’t think they’d send it all the way to London, which is a shame considering I paid almost the same for 2lbs, and that was already at half price! You guys in the ‘ 48 mainland United States’ have all the fun ;-)

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"More women need to learn about this"

May 7, 2005 by admin Leave a Comment

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"More women need to learn about this" "The healthy body is equipped to produce all the hormones a woman needs throughout her life." <<< PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO ALL WOMEN

For More Info And Women’s Stories : http://tinyurl.com/dcfjl                     – Dr. Christiane Northrup,                       The Wisdom of Menopause When your hormones are in balance, you feel great – lots of energy, you sleep like a baby, your sex drive is strong, you look wonderful, and your immune and digestive systems function beautifully. This is your body’s normal state. And with proper support you should feel that way from your 20′s through your 70′s – and even beyond. So how do we lose this natural ability to make and balance our hormones?  And how do you get it back? Extraordinary support is needed to balance the demands you make of your body. Most of us put enormous demands on our body – much more stress than it was designed to handle – and don’t give it adequate support. Constant stress is especially harmful.  Most women in the Personal Program have demanding jobs, run a household, and are parents and caregivers, often for aging parents.  Many of these relationships are themselves stressful. All these demands tend to peak in perimenopause. For More Info And Women’s Stories : http://tinyurl.com/dcfjl On the other side of the scale, the support we give our bodies is usually inadequate.  The cumulative effect of this lack of support over many years also tends to peak in perimenopause. This imbalance between demands and support is what gives rise to our many symptoms: PMS, hot flashes, insomnia, fatigue, weight gain, loss of libido … impaired thyroid function, adrenal exhaustion, fibroids or systemic inflammation … suppressed immune function, accelerated aging, and increased risk of disease. Our unique combination approach. In our clinical practice we have developed a combination approach that has proven successful: Medical-grade nutritional supplements to ensure your body has the rich nutrients it needs to make and balance its hormones. Endocrine support, chiefly Natural Progesterone Cream, which serves as a building block your body can readily convert into the hormones it needs, when it needs them. Dietary changes to satisfy your body’s real requirements. Most so-called healthy diets actually sabotage your body. Lifestyle changes to help your body deal with the demands you place on it. In 17 years of medical practice involving tens of thousands of women suffering from hormonal imbalance, we’ve learned that these four forms of support will resolve even severe symptoms for almost all women. It’s never too late to change. When you join our Personal Program you’ll go through a healing phase that can take just weeks or several months, depending on your starting point. Women getting off synthetic HRT such as Premarin or Prempro require the longest healing phase.   But you’ll experience improvement in the first 2-4 weeks. That initial improvement will inspire you – and give you the strength – to keep going. Once you’re through this healing phase, and your hormonal balance is restored, you’ll be able to more easily maintain it. Not just natural, but personalized. Your physiology and life history are unique. Your path to hormonal balance will be unique too. Our approach is to build the foundation of support and then add personal solutions as needed to resolve any intractable symptoms. We offer the Personal Program in three versions so you can match the solution to your level of symptoms. (See The Personal Program for details.) For More Info And Women’s Stories : http://tinyurl.com/dcfjl

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Is lying allowed in adds in America?

Not outright.  And thanks for reporting them. Chak — What if …  What if the hokey pokey really is what it’s all about?

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l…@USA.com wrote in news:1115489249.279521.52530 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

"The healthy body is equipped to produce all the hormones a woman needs throughout her life."

True.  So we don’t need anything you’re selling.  This newsgroup does not permit commercial messages, and very few people here are willing to follow a blind link from a stranger.  You’re wasting your time and our bandwidth.   You have been reported, several times I hope, to your provider and to Google Groups.  Don’t come back here.

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Increasing Metabolism by way of High Calorie Diet?

May 2, 2005 by admin Leave a Comment

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Drinking lots of water helps raise your metabolism.  So does eating small meals throughout the day.  I eat about every two hours, and I can lose weight eating 2,500 kcal per day, at 5′ 10" and 185.

This is because of the cals required to digest & break down food, eating several times a day is ‘energy-inefficient’ for the body (as opposed to one or two big meals), the equivalent of going to the shops every time you want to have something to eat or drink instead of stocking food & drink at home, you’d use more energy fuelling your body and/or car doing this. It all comes down to calories in vs. calories out.  What Ignoramus said is correct.  Your metabolism will slow to some degree.  But, that’s normal. You can add a "re-feed" day in your week as I do.  I’ve been told it helps reassure your metabolism that it’s not going to starve, so don’t slow down. Also, dieting with out a re-feed day begins to suck after awhile. You still need to enjoy life.

I posted about refeeds a while ago, although some people had arguments against them, I had several refeeds, every 10-15 days. I was worried about cancelling out the effect of the calorie restrictive days but, to my surprise, even eating up to 3,500 cals on such days didn’t seem to affect the weight loss at all. There are psychological reasons for them (like you say, life sucks without them) but as far as your body is concerned, you seem to need them more if you restrict calories too far on your diet days and if you’re not really fat.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I posted about refeeds a while ago, although some people had arguments against them, I had several refeeds, every 10-15 days. I was worried about cancelling out the effect of the calorie restrictive days but, to my surprise, even eating up to 3,500 cals on such days didn’t seem to affect the weight loss at all. There are psychological reasons for them (like you say, life sucks without them) but as far as your body is concerned, you seem to need them more if you restrict calories too far on your diet days and if you’re not really fat.

If you want to get most out of your refeeds, you may wish to limit your fat intake and consume foods with a high glucose content (e.g., sugar) to substantially increase your leptin levels.

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" A high calorie diet is the next best way to increase metabolism. Consuming mass quantities of high calorie food will increase metabolic rate by up to 10 percent. On the contrary, a malnutritious (light) diet could lower your metabolism by 10 percent. " I am 5’11” 200lbs and trying to lose 15lbs of body fat through weight/cardio training and a clean diet. I "should" be consuming 3000 calories a day, but have held between 1800-2000 for the past 3 weeks dropping 15lbs. If I consume the recommended 3000 a day for my weight/height, should I expect to lose body fact quicker? This statement is confusing to me.

Can anybody here say crock.  You don’t say where you got this. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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When I had lost the weight before and used a refeed day, I didn’t find that it caused me to gain any weight back. It was rewarding to eat what I wanted for one day and then get back to limiting my calorie intake the rest of the week. I do this on the weekends and it helps with not being so stressful about counting and watching calories. Roxan

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – You can add a "re-feed" day in your week as I do.  I’ve been told it helps reassure your metabolism that it’s not going to starve, so don’t slow down. Also, dieting with out a re-feed day begins to suck after awhile. You still need to enjoy life. I posted about refeeds a while ago, although some people had arguments against them, I had several refeeds, every 10-15 days. I was worried about cancelling out the effect of the calorie restrictive days but, to my surprise, even eating up to 3,500 cals on such days didn’t seem to affect the weight loss at all. There are psychological reasons for them (like you say, life sucks without them) but as far as your body is concerned, you seem to need them more if you restrict calories too far on your diet days and if you’re not really fat.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – " A high calorie diet is the next best way to increase metabolism. Consuming mass quantities of high calorie food will increase metabolic rate by up to 10 percent. On the contrary, a malnutritious (light) diet could lower your metabolism by 10 percent. " I am 5’11” 200lbs and trying to lose 15lbs of body fat through weight/cardio training and a clean diet. I "should" be consuming 3000 calories a day, but have held between 1800-2000 for the past 3 weeks dropping 15lbs. If I consume the recommended 3000 a day for my weight/height, should I expect to lose body fact quicker? This statement is confusing to me. If you eat 20% more food, which increases your "metabolism" by 10%, would you gain weight or lose weight? Hint: that’s a simple math question. The anwer is you would gain weight. Another problem: if you eat 20% less food, which reduces your metaboism by 10%, would you gain or lose weight? Answer: you would lose weight. So, the conclusion is, to lose weight, eat less. Slowed metabolism is a normal, and quite likely, adaptation to eating less that does not stop your weight loss, given adequate reduction in calories. I am also a 5’11" man, and I dropped weight nicely at 1900 cals per day. I maintain my current weight on 2,500 cals per day.

OK, but what if… you increased you calories by 20% every other day (and reduced your calorie intake by 20% on the in-between days)? Simple math would say that it balances out… but this isn’t a math question, it’s a biology question.   :-)

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If you want to get most out of your refeeds, you may wish to limit your fat intake and consume foods with a high glucose content (e.g., sugar) to substantially increase your leptin levels.

Yes, I did just that & ate lots of sweets & drank sugary drinks. It’s easy to pile on the calories on those things ‘coz sugar doesn’t really fill you up like ‘proper food’ does. I read about it online although the websites I found seemed to be geared largely towards bodybuilders, I also read some stuff by Lyle McDonald, who seems to be a bit of a guru on the subject.

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" A high calorie diet is the next best way to increase metabolism. Consuming mass quantities of high calorie food will increase metabolic rate by up to 10 percent. On the contrary, a malnutritious (light) diet could lower your metabolism by 10 percent. " I am 5’11” 200lbs and trying to lose 15lbs of body fat through weight/cardio training and a clean diet. I "should" be consuming 3000 calories a day, but have held between 1800-2000 for the past 3 weeks dropping 15lbs. If I consume the recommended 3000 a day for my weight/height, should I expect to lose body fact quicker? This statement is confusing to me.

Drinking lots of water helps raise your metabolism.  So does eating small meals throughout the day.  I eat about every two hours, and I can lose weight eating 2,500 kcal per day, at 5′ 10" and 185. It all comes down to calories in vs. calories out.  What Ignoramus said is correct.  Your metabolism will slow to some degree.  But, that’s normal. You can add a "re-feed" day in your week as I do.  I’ve been told it helps reassure your metabolism that it’s not going to starve, so don’t slow down. Also, dieting with out a re-feed day begins to suck after awhile.  You still need to enjoy life. And try not to run a caloric deficit greater than 1,000 per day.  This not only will help maintain your metabolism, but also keep lean body mass.  You don’t just lose fat, but also LBM.  The key is to keep as much LBM as possible while dropping weight.  And if you’re dropping weight fast, you’ll lose a bunch of LBM. — -Larry

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" A high calorie diet is the next best way to increase metabolism. Consuming mass quantities of high calorie food will increase metabolic rate by up to 10 percent. On the contrary, a malnutritious (light) diet could lower your metabolism by 10 percent. " I am 5’11” 200lbs and trying to lose 15lbs of body fat through weight/cardio training and a clean diet. I "should" be consuming 3000 calories a day, but have held between 1800-2000 for the past 3 weeks dropping 15lbs. If I consume the recommended 3000 a day for my weight/height, should I expect to lose body fact quicker? This statement is confusing to me.

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in misc.fitness.weights: 1.4 Decreasing detection times: Increasing metabolism is probably the most effective way to decrease the time period that drugs can be detected in your system. Physical activity can increase your metabolic rate as much as two thousand percent! Nothing beats proper training taken to an extreme. A high calorie diet is the next best way to increase metabolism. Consuming mass quantities of high calorie food will increase metabolic rate by up to 10 percent. On the contrary, a malnutritious (light) diet could lower your metabolism by 10 percent. Speed (the drug) will also increase metabolism. Unfortunately, labs usually test for speed, and could get you into trouble. So exercise with intensity, and eat big. http://www.neonjoint.com/passing_a_drug_test/detection_times.html

So the only goal for this advice is to get the drugs out of your system as quickly as possible.  You’ll be fatter (and more muscular) but who cares if you are just trying to pass a drug test.  I wouldn’t use this advice for someone who is trying to get more fit.  But, I would tell a powerlifter moving up a weight class to follow this.

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" A high calorie diet is the next best way to increase metabolism. Consuming mass quantities of high calorie food will increase metabolic rate by up to 10 percent. On the contrary, a malnutritious (light) diet could lower your metabolism by 10 percent. "

Yes, all those people out there getting thinner from the increase in BMR by eating massive calories. Does that make sense to you?! Finding the correct kcal intake is the trick BTW. There are formulas you can look up of course, but that’s only part of the battle. —

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – 1.4 Decreasing detection times: Increasing metabolism is probably the most effective way to decrease the time period that drugs can be detected in your system. Physical activity can increase your metabolic rate as much as two thousand percent! Are you seriously trying to tell me that joe average can have a metabolic rate of 40.000 kcal a day (2000 * 20)? Top olympic-games-type of athletes (runners) burn about a max of 10.000-15.000kcal on the day of the competition.. how many high speed marathons can you run in a week? Nothing beats proper training taken to an extreme. A high calorie diet is the next best way to increase metabolism. Consuming mass quantities of high calorie food will increase metabolic rate by up to 10 percent. On the contrary, a malnutritious (light) diet could lower your metabolism by 10 percent. Speed (the drug) will also increase metabolism. Unfortunately, labs usually test for speed, and could get you into trouble. So exercise with intensity, and eat big.

Honestly, the idea that the more you eat, the more you burn is unhelpful for most of us with problems controlling our weight.  Of course absolute starvation dieting lowers metabolic rate, but the idea that what you need is more calories per diem is nonsense.  What works for most of us is what we naturally do – calorie control 24/7, with the odd (monthly or less) planned splurge or treat (NOT massive brownie pigout) which acts as a refeed. I also think perceived stomach fullness is a biggie here, and hence the importance of balancing foods at each meal, eating low-density foods etc. IMHO, the longer your stomach FEELS empty, the more your metabolism drops. Also IMHO, and no, i have no data, metabolsim drops with dehydration.

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 1.4 Decreasing detection times: Increasing metabolism is probably the most effective way to decrease the time period that drugs can be detected in your system. Physical activity can increase your metabolic rate as much as two thousand percent! Nothing beats proper training taken to an extreme. A high calorie diet is the next best way to increase metabolism. Consuming mass quantities of high calorie food will increase metabolic rate by up to 10 percent. On the contrary, a malnutritious (light) diet could lower your metabolism by 10 percent. Speed (the drug) will also increase metabolism. Unfortunately, labs usually test for speed, and could get you into trouble. So exercise with intensity, and eat big. http://www.neonjoint.com/passing_a_drug_test/detection_times.html

Or get a prescription. ;-) — Om. "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson

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 1.4 Decreasing detection times: Increasing metabolism is probably the most effective way to decrease the time period that drugs can be detected in your system. Physical activity can increase your metabolic rate as much as two thousand percent! Nothing beats proper training taken to an extreme. A high calorie diet is the next best way to increase metabolism. Consuming mass quantities of high calorie food will increase metabolic rate by up to 10 percent. On the contrary, a malnutritious (light) diet could lower your metabolism by 10 percent. Speed (the drug) will also increase metabolism. Unfortunately, labs usually test for speed, and could get you into trouble. So exercise with intensity, and eat big. http://www.neonjoint.com/passing_a_drug_test/detection_times.html

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1.4 Decreasing detection times: Increasing metabolism is probably the most effective way to decrease the time period that drugs can be detected in your system. Physical activity can increase your metabolic rate as much as two thousand percent!

Are you seriously trying to tell me that joe average can have a metabolic rate of 40.000 kcal a day (2000 * 20)? Top olympic-games-type of athletes (runners) burn about a max of 10.000-15.000kcal on the day of the competition.. how many high speed marathons can you run in a week? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Nothing beats proper training taken to an extreme. A high calorie diet is the next best way to increase metabolism. Consuming mass quantities of high calorie food will increase metabolic rate by up to 10 percent. On the contrary, a malnutritious (light) diet could lower your metabolism by 10 percent. Speed (the drug) will also increase metabolism. Unfortunately, labs usually test for speed, and could get you into trouble. So exercise with intensity, and eat big. http://www.neonjoint.com/passing_a_drug_test/detection_times.html

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You can shift you calorein intake up whilst lowering body fat but you have to accept some things… 1) you are only going to be able to burn a small amount off using reasonably, sustainable amounts of exercise 2) you are going to have to manipulate you diet – not just the amounts you are eating but what you ar eating and at what times. ALSO A calorie is not necessarily a calorie, and Energy balance does not equal  cals consumed VS cals burned  in the real world (if only it were that easy!) Try to realise that a calorie from saturated fat is going effect the body differently to a calorie from protein. A calorie is not a calorie! Also, people react to increased calorie intake in different ways. Most research suggests that there may be as much a 40% difference in different peoples reactions to calorie manipulation. Energy balance does not equal calin vs cals out! There are a few things that ring true for most people though….. You are going to have to fool your body into becoming more efficient at using those extra calories and you are going to have to try to shift the calories into support muscle metabolism and generally raising metabolic rate. You do this by eating many smalled meals, lots of protein, good nutrient rich foods high in vitamins, minerals, good fats (omega 3 and 9 rich), phyto nutrients etc. Basically fruit, veg, oily fish, lean meat, nuts and seeds etc. Also try to eat CARBS and FAT separately but always eat protein with each meal. There too much to go into here but there is a guy I think his name in Berardi who is a PhD student and trainer to Olympic athletes. Look him up on google. Hope that helps.

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Honestly, the idea that the more you eat, the more you burn is unhelpful for most of us with problems controlling our weight.  Of course absolute starvation dieting lowers metabolic rate, but the idea that what you need is more calories per diem is nonsense.

Agreed.  What works for most of us is what we naturally do – calorie control 24/7, with the odd (monthly or less) planned splurge or treat (NOT massive brownie pigout) which acts as a refeed.

That isn’t exactly "natural".  Also, the correct frequency of refeeds depends on a number of factors, especially bodyfat percentage.  The lower it is, the more often you should refeed.  See bodyrecomposition.com for more details.  (Hey, Lyle, I want that $1 back.) I also think perceived stomach fullness is a biggie here, and hence the importance of balancing foods at each meal, eating low-density foods etc. IMHO, the longer your stomach FEELS empty, the more your metabolism drops.

Not exactly. Seth — "There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate" — Will Brink Except sushi rice, seaweed, and wasabi.

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As Low-Carb Craze Wanes, Atkins Revamps Its Diet

April 4, 2005 by admin Leave a Comment

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I find it rather amusing. This company used to sell crappy products using a bogus calculation (of net carbs). Now it is, apparently, going to sell same trash products, using just as bogus calculation (glycemic index, according to the article).

Atkins Nutritionals had a very short life in the UK and for good reason. Back in 2002, after seeing the ‘Diet Revolution’ book everywhere, I was tempted to give it a try. After losing what seemed like a huge amount of weight during the first two induction weeks, I got excited at the prospect of losing weight fast & still be able to eat pancakes, flour tortillas, bread, etc. as sold by this company. The Atkins website had a whole lot of ‘low carb’ versions of ‘normal’ foods but none of those things were available in the UK at the time. The products were overpriced to start with & after adding international shipping their cost skyrocketted but one wishes to try new things… When the products that have cost their own weight in gold arrived, they turned out to be highly disappointing. Whether you could eat them and still lose (I mean weight, I did lose a lot of pounds of the other kind) wasn’t even an issue, most of the stuff was inedible anyway. The ‘maple syrup’ was as thin as water, I could have done better with artificial flavouring, water & edulcorant (which is probably all there was in it). The bars tasted awful & had 240 cals each. The labels were full of ‘hocus pocus’ calculations regarding what was carbs & what was not & the figures quoted for F/C/P didn’t add up to the number of calories. My guess is that the experts are wrong in guessing that this change is happening due to changing consumer dieting preferences towards different types of diets. I think that the real reason for this switch is that the net carb fraud became too notorious. Too few people believe in "net carbs", and this fraud will probably soon be banned by the government food agencies. Hence the preventive action by "Atkins nutritionals".

It must be rather difficult to make something that looks, feels, and tastes like a carb but has no carbs at all. A lot of the Atkins stuff is faked using glycerine & sugar alcohols which can cause digestive problems. Glycemic index calculation is even more nebulous than net carbs, and is very easy to fake and lie about without the fear of being successfully sued. Unlike carb counts, which are at least based on objective lab tests, "glycemic index" is based on "blood sugar response of human subjects". That response is variable and depends on the person. So, al they have to do to fudge the numbers is find the human subjects with the least response. For a pdf of a good critique of Glycemic index, check out    http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/gi.pdf

Sounds too subjective to be measurable, let alone legally regulate the claims…

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Rather than the glycemic index, perhaps a label indicating glycemic load would be useful for some. People don’t stay on diet period. It doesn’t matter which one.

Are you a fatalist, faddist or fatist?

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 Updated: 02:43 PM EST As Low-Carb Craze Wanes, Atkins Revamps Its Diet NEW YORK (March 23) – Atkins Nutritionals, which championed a dieting craze that made millions of Americans shun bread and other carbohydrates, wants a do-over. As the low-carb fad fades, Atkins has altered its "net carbs" method by using parts of the latest trend from Europe — a glycemic-index diet — to target U.S. food companies for products bearing the new "net Atkins count" seal. The new label has appeared on Atkins nutrition and breakfast bars since January. Atkins says the method more accurately gauges a dieter’s blood sugar response to foods, and subsequent weight gain, and is far more precise than the net carbs subtraction method. "We see this as the standard and the next generation for measuring net carb and blood sugar impact," said Matthew Wiant, Atkins’ chief marketing officer. Atkins says current partners HP Hood LLC and CoolBrands International Inc. (CBAsva.TO) are excited about coming up with new product lines using the new methodology. Ronkonkoma, New York-based Atkins, which has seen sagging sales of its packaged products and just pulled the plug on its British subsidiary, said it may even go after Kraft Foods Inc. (KFT.N) — which has a deal with an Atkins rival, the South Beach diet. But food analysts say the bloom is off the rose for low-carb names like Atkins, as consumers have dismissed it as a fad that got rid of weight at first, but was unsustainable. "What Atkins is saying is that this is the new way of doing things, which is the same as saying the old way wasn’t that good," said Bob Goldin, executive vice president with food industry research firm Technomic. "They’re so well identified with net carbs that it may work against them because it can confuse people. "The aura has definitely left Atkins, so they’re a lot less valuable as a corporate partner," he added. About 26 percent of Americans are trying to shed weight, 4 percent of those on a low-carb diet — down from 9 percent in January 2004, according to data from The NPD Group, a New York-based market research firm. Atkins, sensing that it was losing currency with dieters, took the cue for the change from British food company Tesco PLC (TSCDY.PK), which has melded the glycemic index into its line of foods, said Ken Harris, managing director at consumer products and retail consultant Cannondale Associates. Harris was more optimistic that Atkins could pull off the switch than some other diet industry experts, as he noted that dieting by following the glycemic index is much more sustainable than the net-carb way. "Atkins is doing the right thing. But if Tesco hadn’t done this, there’d be nothing. Atkins has its work cut out for it," Harris said. "Will it save the company? It’s hard to tell. But they’ve got a reasonable shot at making it work." Among U.S. companies that could partner with Atkins are ConAgra Foods Inc. (CAG.N) or PepsiCo Inc. (PEP.N), he said. — preesi "The Meek Shall Inherit The Earth? Yeah, after The Strong Kick The Enemies Asses For You Cowards!" My Websites: http://tinyurl.com/yvw45 Where I Hang Out: http://www.there.com Lets go surfing together: http://www.lluna.de/ My Pogo and AIM name: PreesiGirl (Come play with me)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – People don’t stay on diet period. It doesn’t matter which one. Are you a fatalist, faddist or fatist? What’s the problem? It’s true. People don’t stay on diets. Prove it. Take a look on pubmed for a number of studies on the subject. Up to 95% of people gain back every pound they lost on their diet, plus most gain back more.

Sorry Wendy, nice try.  Doesn’t do much to bolster Equinox’s gratuituous assertion. BTW, how much do you weigh and how long have you been using "that" excuse for staying fat?

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People don’t stay on diet period. It doesn’t matter which one. Are you a fatalist, faddist or fatist? What’s the problem? It’s true. People don’t stay on diets. Prove it.

Take a look on pubmed for a number of studies on the subject. Up to 95% of people gain back every pound they lost on their diet, plus most gain back more.

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Sorry Wendy, nice try.  Doesn’t do much to bolster Equinox’s gratuituous assertion. BTW, how much do you weigh and how long have you been using "that" excuse for staying fat?

You might want to take a look at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&…. Then click "related links" in the upper right hand corner. And we know there’s no excuse for people like you.

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Without the leader and his vision, the Atkins business seems off track. I have had good luck using the net carb numbers in management.  However, my carbs are low enough that the non-net carb number is still below 50. Rather than the glycemic index, perhaps a label indicating glycemic load would be useful for some. Another factor, I would look at is that a food may be relatively low in total carbs, but the percentage of carbs in the product may be very high. Thus, it is the wrong kind of food, marketed as low carb due to a skewed interpretation. I suspect the study quoted by Dr. Greger, that 75% of people saying they are low carb actually have failed to restrict carbohydrates, is correct.  It may be the failure of low carb diet *cheaters* that has contributed to the decline.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I find it rather amusing. This company used to sell crappy products using a bogus calculation (of net carbs). Now it is, apparently, going to sell same trash products, using just as bogus calculation (glycemic index, according to the article). My guess is that the experts are wrong in guessing that this change is happening due to changing consumer dieting preferences towards different types of diets. I think that the real reason for this switch is that the net carb fraud became too notorious. Too few people believe in "net carbs", and this fraud will probably soon be banned by the government food agencies. Hence the preventive action by "Atkins nutritionals". Glycemic index calculation is even more nebulous than net carbs, and is very easy to fake and lie about without the fear of being successfully sued. Unlike carb counts, which are at least based on objective lab tests, "glycemic index" is based on "blood sugar response of human subjects". That response is variable and depends on the person. So, al they have to do to fudge the numbers is find the human subjects with the least response. For a pdf of a good critique of Glycemic index, check out     http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/gi.pdf — 223/175.7/180

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Rather than the glycemic index, perhaps a label indicating glycemic load would be useful for some.

People don’t stay on diet period. It doesn’t matter which one.

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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – But food analysts say the bloom is off the rose for low-carb names like Atkins, as consumers have dismissed it as a fad that got rid of weight at first, but was unsustainable. "What Atkins is saying is that this is the new way of doing things, which is the same as saying the old way wasn’t that good," said Bob Goldin, executive vice president with food industry research firm Technomic. "They’re so well identified with net carbs that it may work against them because it can confuse people. "The aura has definitely left Atkins, so they’re a lot less valuable as a corporate partner," he added. About 26 percent of Americans are trying to shed weight, 4 percent of those on a low-carb diet — down from 9 percent in January 2004, according to data from The NPD Group, a New York-based market research firm. Atkins, sensing that it was losing currency with dieters, took the cue for the change from British food company Tesco PLC (TSCDY.PK), which has melded the glycemic index into its line of foods, said Ken Harris, managing director at consumer products and retail consultant Cannondale Associates. Harris was more optimistic that Atkins could pull off the switch than some other diet industry experts, as he noted that dieting by following the glycemic index is much more sustainable than the net-carb way. "Atkins is doing the right thing. But if Tesco hadn’t done this, there’d be nothing. Atkins has its work cut out for it," Harris said. "Will it save the company? It’s hard to tell. But they’ve got a reasonable shot at making it work." Among U.S. companies that could partner with Atkins are ConAgra Foods Inc. (CAG.N) or PepsiCo Inc. (PEP.N), he said.

I am amused that the demand for the "low carb specialty" foods is on the decline and thus it is assumed that low carb is on the outs. It is possible that people are spending less on the specialty stuff and just eating regular ole low carb stuff. Salad and green vegetables, meat, you know that regular ole food is pretty low carb too. — 370/275/270 Single malt scotch is awesome (NO it does NOT have carbs as DON’T vodka, gin, rum, bourbon, etc generally) Malt can be made low carb through the judicious use of yeast. Low carb beer? Uh…yeah. Read the books. You can have more than eggs for breakfast. Yes calories do count. Ketosticks are not neccessary to lose weight. Email: Actually my feet are big not medium.

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People don’t stay on diet period. It doesn’t matter which one. Are you a fatalist, faddist or fatist? What’s the problem? It’s true. People don’t stay on diets.

Many people do not realize that one a diet "ends" and food intake and exercise are no loger observed, weight changes. Those who are determined to protect favorable changes DO continue to give attentioin to their diet. — Diva ***** The Best Man For The Job Is A Woman

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People don’t stay on diet period. It doesn’t matter which one. Are you a fatalist, faddist or fatist? What’s the problem? It’s true. People don’t stay on diets.

Prove it.

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People don’t stay on diet period. It doesn’t matter which one. Are you a fatalist, faddist or fatist?

What’s the problem? It’s true. People don’t stay on diets.

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Grant, good point about foods, you've made

February 25, 2005 by admin Leave a Comment

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that is, how a healthy diet would prevent herpes outbreaks. Foods, including spices. There is only one issue here: for man and women it may vary due to a series of factors that differ in the genders, such as those that can bring a hormonal inbalance. Perl von Molson

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Hi Pearle. I’m not sure about foods bringing on hormonal imbalances.  I do believe that an unhealthy diet can create a state in the body that would allow that to happen. Spices I don’t know a lot about. Herbs probably could mess you up.  I think that it is a good idea to know what you are putting in your body.  But to separate "herbs" from "food." ar says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -that is, how a healthy diet would prevent herpes outbreaks. Foods, including spices. There is only one issue here: for man and women it may vary due to a series of factors that differ in the genders, such as those that can bring a hormonal inbalance. Perl von Molson

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Hi Perl, We’ve had the soy discussion before.  It is NOT a good food for anyone to eat. Vegetarians who eat a lot of soy are not healthy people – that’s a generalization, of course.  As I have told you before, I eat no soy.  You keep believing that soy is necessary for a vegetarian diet so I then assume that you really aren’t too knowledgeable about vegetarian diets at all.  Soy is not healthy for women either. Fruit is the most easily digestable food on the planet.  Again, I believe that your ideas of vegetarian diets is incorrect because you did not know this. People have problems with fruit only because they eat it incorrectly.  Yes!  You are supposed to eat it either prior to eating anything else or as a meal alone. The reason is that it ferments quickly in the body.  If you eat something else that hits the digestion tract prior to the fruit and takes longer to process, then the fruit gets held up in the body and will ferment.  This causes many of the problems that people experience with fruit. Actually, eating a raw food diet DOES help the body to handle outside stress better.  And many people eating this diet (men and women) have had metabolic disorders correct themselves. I’ve read the anti-raw sites.  I really believe that the problem is fear. People fear finding out that they really are the reason behind their bad health. And as we’ve talked about before…a LIMITED vegetarian diet is as dangerous as a LIMITED cooked food/meat eating diet.  People will pick apart a vegetarian diet but then turn around and eat at McDonalds a few times a week and put sugar and other processed crap into their bodies without thinking twice about it. There is no way that a healthy vegetarian diet can be worse than a normal Standard American Diet (SAD). ar

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I know you were using the alcohol just to make a point.  So I’ll use it too.  If ‘you’ were really interested in health, then you would not use alcohol.

true. although, have you read the articles about the wild animals or farm animals that, due to eating large ammouts of fruits ( in special if follen from the trees in the grass), they ingest a little alcohol with it? There was the great example how animals ingest alcohol, too, and it is supposed to be "natural" right? I still doubt that we need alcohol for health. Or as your story goes, eat a lot more fruits and there is the alcohol! My point being, that an orange is going to react the same for a man as it will for a woman.

An orange, perhaps. Not soya, or tofu or other important (crucial for a vegetarian) foods. As I’ve wrote in here, soya is great for women but not for men, due to its high estrogen content (well, it make the body produce estrogen or something like that). I start to wonder if vegetarianism is meant to be for women only.  By eating fresh fruits and fresh, raw, salads, you will do more to reduce stress and metabolic upset in the body.

not necessarily. Please read below some examples I’ve wrote about how fresh fruit does not mean a better metabolism (unless you follow a precise type of fruit list, to work for that matter)   The use of spices and herbs might not be necessary at all.  A clean diet will give you a clean body and a clean body will assimilate the minerals and vitamins that it needs. That’s in a perfect world, of course.  :)

I won’t necessarily call it a "perfect world", considering that for example, flax seed oil and other fibers tent to extract all the minerals and other valuable nutrients from the intestine. When consuming large ammounts of fiber you may end up with vitamin/mineral deficiency. On top of that, the assimilation of fruits seems to be more difficult. (I recall even my mother wrote me that she needs to eat fruits as a separate meal in order to have a better digestion). If you would do a search on the net, you will find recent studies that (was even on the CNN site) the raw diet is not a necessarily healthier diet. Just to add, I was also trying a limited kind of vegetarian diet, before and believe me, I would never do it again. I was not fun at all believe me. I was literally low in energy. I think that IF the vegetarian/raw diet works for some people, those folks need to know exactly what they are doing. In special it depends on the ammout of energy their body is using on a daily basis. So, instead of looking at what to add, such as herbs or spices, look at the total intake and make the change at the very basic level.

Herbs, spices have for the most part antiviral properties and play other beneficial roles for our bodies. Help regulate metabolism, normalize blood pressure, etc. Of course there is need for knowledge there, too.   Which would be what one eats for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.  If you eat sausage, for instance, then you may need an herb to counteract the damage that the sausage will do to your body.  But if you just remove the sausage from your diet, the herb is not necessary.

I don’t eat sausages anymore. I just stay away from it. In special considering the ammount of preservants they contain (MSG stuff like that). Even without, organic ones, are perhaps a bad choice. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – ar Perl Molson says… Hi Pearle. I’m not sure about foods bringing on hormonal imbalances.  I do believe that an unhealthy diet can create a state in the body that would allow that to happen. Spices I don’t know a lot about. Herbs probably could mess you up.  I think that it is a good idea to know what you are putting in your body.  But to separate "herbs" from "food." ar My ideea is that, stress, metabolism and proper assimilation of various foods at al, go hand in hand with the hormonal balance in our body. Some foods and other nutrients (spices, herbs, vitamins etc) can have a greater impact in the process. Female and male’s bodies are different and that was my point in this topic. Different nutrients work in different ways for each gender. It seems to be quite an important point. For example, it is a known fact that males can cope with greater ammounts of alcoholic beverages, better then women due to the different body structure. "…man’s liver can finish breaking down one drink of alcohol in about an hour. It takes a woman’s liver longer to complete processing…" http://vanderbiltowc.wellsource.com/dh/Content.asp?ID=601 http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa46.htm Perl Molson says… that is, how a healthy diet would prevent herpes outbreaks. Foods, including spices. There is only one issue here: for man and women it may vary due to a series of factors that differ in the genders, such as those that can bring a hormonal inbalance. Perl von Molson

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I know you were using the alcohol just to make a point.  So I’ll use it too.  If ‘you’ were really interested in health, then you would not use alcohol. My point being, that an orange is going to react the same for a man as it will for a woman.  By eating fresh fruits and fresh, raw, salads, you will do more to reduce stress and metabolic upset in the body.  The use of spices and herbs might not be necessary at all.  A clean diet will give you a clean body and a clean body will assimilate the minerals and vitamins that it needs.  That’s in a perfect world, of course.  :) So, instead of looking at what to add, such as herbs or spices, look at the total intake and make the change at the very basic level.  Which would be what one eats for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.  If you eat sausage, for instance, then you may need an herb to counteract the damage that the sausage will do to your body.  But if you just remove the sausage from your diet, the herb is not necessary. ar says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Pearle. I’m not sure about foods bringing on hormonal imbalances.  I do believe that an unhealthy diet can create a state in the body that would allow that to happen. Spices I don’t know a lot about. Herbs probably could mess you up.  I think that it is a good idea to know what you are putting in your body.  But to separate "herbs" from "food." ar My ideea is that, stress, metabolism and proper assimilation of various foods at al, go hand in hand with the hormonal balance in our body. Some foods and other nutrients (spices, herbs, vitamins etc) can have a greater impact in the process. Female and male’s bodies are different and that was my point in this topic. Different nutrients work in different ways for each gender. It seems to be quite an important point. For example, it is a known fact that males can cope with greater ammounts of alcoholic beverages, better then women due to the different body structure. "…man’s liver can finish breaking down one drink of alcohol in about an hour. It takes a woman’s liver longer to complete processing…" http://vanderbiltowc.wellsource.com/dh/Content.asp?ID=601 http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa46.htm Perl Molson says… that is, how a healthy diet would prevent herpes outbreaks. Foods, including spices. There is only one issue here: for man and women it may vary due to a series of factors that differ in the genders, such as those that can bring a hormonal inbalance. Perl von Molson

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi Pearle. I’m not sure about foods bringing on hormonal imbalances.  I do believe that an unhealthy diet can create a state in the body that would allow that to happen. Spices I don’t know a lot about. Herbs probably could mess you up.  I think that it is a good idea to know what you are putting in your body.  But to separate "herbs" from "food." ar

My ideea is that, stress, metabolism and proper assimilation of various foods at al, go hand in hand with the hormonal balance in our body. Some foods and other nutrients (spices, herbs, vitamins etc) can have a greater impact in the process. Female and male’s bodies are different and that was my point in this topic. Different nutrients work in different ways for each gender. It seems to be quite an important point. For example, it is a known fact that males can cope with greater ammounts of alcoholic beverages, better then women due to the different body structure. "…man’s liver can finish breaking down one drink of alcohol in about an hour. It takes a woman’s liver longer to complete processing…" http://vanderbiltowc.wellsource.com/dh/Content.asp?ID=601 http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa46.htm – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Perl Molson says… that is, how a healthy diet would prevent herpes outbreaks. Foods, including spices. There is only one issue here: for man and women it may vary due to a series of factors that differ in the genders, such as those that can bring a hormonal inbalance. Perl von Molson

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eat less, exercise more- is it just that simple?

January 23, 2005 by admin Leave a Comment

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It is that simple, but you’ve got to decide to do it.  And deciding to eat less and exercise more means choosing an entirely different lifestyle – which means you have to choose it over and over again six or seven times a day. Willpower won’t do it.

Good suggestions. But how is the above different than willpower?

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It is that simple, but you’ve got to decide to do it.  And deciding to eat less and exercise more means choosing an entirely different lifestyle – which means you have to choose it over and over again six or seven times a day. Willpower won’t do it. Good suggestions. But how is the above different than willpower?

Ah, glad you asked.  Willpower is about forcing yourself to do something against your will.  You’re inherrantly divided on this issue or you wouldn’t need willpower to bully yourself into it. For something that needs such a comprehensive change you’ve got to go with clear decision-making.  That means you’ve got to decide what your values are and decide whether your actions are in line with your values and then act that way.  That’s sanity, not willpower. Think of it this way: you walk into a chocolate store and you love absolutely everything in there.  You’d like to just hole up in a corner and eat your favorite truffles until you fall into a stupor.  But the truffles are $12/pound and you’ve got $5 on you.  What keeps you from holding up the store at gunpoint and acting on your preference?  It’s not willpower, it’s just the knowledge that this behavior is not in line with your values and other goals.  As much fun as it would be to eat that chocolate, it just isn’t worth the cost in your own internal cost/benefit ratio. You need to come to the epiphany that being nice to yourself means acting in accordance with your values and goals. Just to muddy the waters a bit, I think willpower is needed sometimes at the start just to keep from falling back into old habits, but that phase doesn’t really last that long.  I think it took me about three months to change my exercise habits.  After I tackled that I started in on the eating habits, and that took about two more months.  I started this journey in May, 2004 and I’m still working on the "repeat, forever" steps. Obviously for this kind of laid out plan you’ve got to be really clear on what you want and you’ve got to choose to do it because you love yourself.  Self-hatred isn’t good enough, no one works that hard for something they don’t love and/or don’t really want. And please be aware that choosing not to lose weight IS choosing to be fat.  That’s okay, just know that you’re choosing it.  And I’d further task you to know WHY you’re choosing it. Delenn

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I have been having a conversation with someone who says all there is to losing weight is to eat less and exercise more. This is a frustrating conversation because it’s hard to have a response. I know it’s not just that easy. But he would say you just have to stop eating too much. Push yourself away from the plate. There’s nothing more to it. If you truly wanted to do it, you would. If you find losing weight difficult, it’s because you are making it difficult. The implication is that it’s all my fault because i am weak and pathetic. Is that true? Is there any reply?

Francine, these are good questions. It is that simple, but you’ve got to decide to do it.  And deciding to eat less and exercise more means choosing an entirely different lifestyle – which means you have to choose it over and over again six or seven times a day. Willpower won’t do it. I’ve got five steps to weight loss and each step is just a few words, but working on these simple statements is like studying zen philosophy.   you can look at it over and over again and only just barely scratch the surface of all the implications. Here they are: 0. Fix your head.  [Figure out why you chose to get fat.  It may be as simple as you enjoying eating fatty foods and don't like exercise.  Look at these behaviors closely because you've got to change them if you're going to change.]  Good books on this subject are "Fattitudes" by Willert and [chime in here, guys, I'm drawing a blank.] 1. Eat less.  [But don't go hungry, and get good nutrition, and meet your energy and nutrient requirements... coming up with the body fueling plan that works for you takes trial and error.  Luckily, you get to try four or five times a day for the rest of your life.  You'll work it out.]  Good resources, IMO, are the Zone books, The South Beach Diet, the Glycemic Index Diet and the Body for Life Diet.  (These, by the way, are all pretty much identical for the simple reason that they instruct you how to cut out crappy food and learn to fuel your body.) 2. Exercise more.  Go immediately to http://www.stumptuous.com/weights.html for instruction on this.  :-) 3. Repeat. 4. Forever. I’d answer your queston of "am I just weak and pathetic" as "no, you just haven’t made this a priority in your life… yet." You can do it if you CHOOSE to. Good luck with whatever you choose. Delenn 244/172/165

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  eat less, exercise more- is it just that simple? Pretty much, yes. You want maximum nutrition, and sufficient calories to fuel your exercise and other energy requirements, whilst maintaining your weight. It takes experimentation, patience, and (of course) exercise :) — Succorso

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I have been having a conversation with someone who says all there is to losing weight is to eat less and exercise more. This is a frustrating conversation because it’s hard to have a response. I know it’s not just that easy. But he would say you just have to stop eating too much. Push yourself away from the plate. There’s nothing more to it. If you truly wanted to do it, you would. If you find losing weight difficult, it’s because you are making it difficult. The implication is that it’s all my fault because i am weak and pathetic. Is that true? Is there any reply?

You have to exercise for good health.  It’s not just eat less.  It’s eat right to get all your nutrients.

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23 Jan 2005: I have been having a conversation with someone who says all there is to losing weight is to eat less and exercise more. This is a frustrating conversation because it’s hard to have a response. I know it’s not just that easy.

It’s *not* that easy. It’s easy to say and it’s easy to understand why it works. The hard part is doing it. But he would say you just have to stop eating too much. Push yourself away from the plate. There’s nothing more to it. If you truly wanted to do it, you would. If you find losing weight difficult, it’s because you are making it difficult. The implication is that it’s all my fault because i am weak and pathetic. Is that true? Is there any reply?

Do you just want to argue with him? If so, then I have no reply because on the surfuce he is correct. He does need to understand that this is not an easy process for most people. If it were that easy everyone would be fit and trim. There are plenty of overweight people that are mentally strong. However, losing weight and keeping it off requires a different sort of strength, IMO. Phil M.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been having a conversation with someone who says all there is to losing weight is to eat less and exercise more. This is a frustrating conversation because it’s hard to have a response. I know it’s not just that easy. But he would say you just have to stop eating too much. Push yourself away from the plate. There’s nothing more to it. If you truly wanted to do it, you would. If you find losing weight difficult, it’s because you are making it difficult. The implication is that it’s all my fault because i am weak and pathetic. Is that true? Is there any reply? There’s a lot of truth in the saying ‘eat less – exercise more’.  It’s mainly about consuming less calories than your body needs to maintain it’s current weight. That said, there’s also the matter of the nutrients you choose when consuming less calories.  Many people limit sugar, fat, carbs, etc to make the weight loss easier.  If your body is properly fueled you will probably have an easier time losing weight than if you simply consumed your daily calorie allowance in junk foods.   But in the end it all comes down to calories.

I just read an article at the gym where the author disdained the different diet crazes and boiled it all down to "It’s the calories – stupid".  He especially eschewed low carb for anyone looking for any type of athletic performance (it was a magazine for trainers). To the OP, eat less and exercise more is simple on the surface.  Getting there is the work part of it.  If you are reading into it some type of condemnation (that you are weak and pathetic), then your food issues and self-esteem need some work.  One of our more successful members here has added a step before "eat less" and that is *Get your head together*. Take some time to figure out what is keeping you from eating less and exercising more.  Compare how much do you want to not be fat to how much you still want to be fat.  The book "Fattitudes" by Jeff Wilbert will help you start to look at that very point.  IMHO the more you get your head into the game, the easier the rest becomes.  It’s not an overnight process, but a lifelong journey of steps taken one at a time. Jenn

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I have been having a conversation with someone who says all there is to losing weight is to eat less and exercise more. This is a frustrating conversation because it’s hard to have a response. I know it’s not just that easy. But he would say you just have to stop eating too much. Push yourself away from the plate. There’s nothing more to it. If you truly wanted to do it, you would. If you find losing weight difficult, it’s because you are making it difficult. The implication is that it’s all my fault because i am weak and pathetic. Is that true? Is there any reply?

There’s a lot of truth in the saying ‘eat less – exercise more’.  It’s mainly about consuming less calories than your body needs to maintain it’s current weight. That said, there’s also the matter of the nutrients you choose when consuming less calories.  Many people limit sugar, fat, carbs, etc to make the weight loss easier.  If your body is properly fueled you will probably have an easier time losing weight than if you simply consumed your daily calorie allowance in junk foods.   But in the end it all comes down to calories. Beverly

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I have been having a conversation with someone who says all there is to losing weight is to eat less and exercise more. This is a frustrating conversation because it’s hard to have a response. I know it’s not just that easy. But he would say you just have to stop eating too much. Push yourself away from the plate. There’s nothing more to it. If you truly wanted to do it, you would. If you find losing weight difficult, it’s because you are making it difficult. The implication is that it’s all my fault because i am weak and pathetic. Is that true? Is there any reply?

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eat less, exercise more- is it just that simple?

I have been having a conversation with someone who says all there is to losing weight is to eat less and exercise more. This is a frustrating conversation because it’s hard to have a response. I know it’s not just that easy.<< There is a big difference between simple and easy. Yes, it’s that simple, but I haven’t found it to be easy. The implication is that it’s all my fault because i am weak and

pathetic.<< I cannot claim to know what the person who said this to you implied, or whether the inference you drew is correct. But many people have the belief that fat people are lazy and weak-willed. I know that I am neither. If you find losing weight

difficult, it’s because you are making it difficult.<< Again, I’m not clear if this person said these words or you drew this inference. I have found losing weight on the "eat less, exercise more" program to be tremendously difficult. It’s simple, but it’s not easy, at least for me. Kasey 365/215/???

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I have been having a conversation with someone who says all there is to losing weight is to eat less and exercise more. This is a frustrating conversation because it’s hard to have a response. I know it’s not just that easy. But he would say you just have to stop eating too much. Push yourself away from the plate. There’s nothing more to it. If you truly wanted to do it, you would. If you find losing weight difficult, it’s because you are making it difficult. The implication is that it’s all my fault because i am weak and pathetic. Is that true? Is there any reply?

Hi Francine, There’s a big difference between simple and easy!  Yes, it’s that simple — eat less, exercise more.  (I lost 128 pounds using just that plan, and have kept it off for 7 months so far.)   Is it easy?  No, not really.  It’s physically challenging because the body naturally craves enough calories to maintain its current weight, and complains if given less.  And a body that is not used to exercising resists doing so.  But, far more significant, it’s mentally and emotionally challenging.  Food is a major source of pleasure for most people, and the focal point of many if not most of our interactions with friends.  It isn’t easy to deprive oneself of some of that pleasure, or to believe that one might have to eat differently than one’s friends and family.  And many of us have all kinds of associations in our minds between food and love, food and reward, etc., that make us feel we need and deserve to eat based on all sorts of triggers.  It’s possible to find other ways to enjoy oneself, reward oneself, celebrate with friends, and enjoy life, but it takes some doing.  The rewards are there, for sure, though. Being overweight doesn’t mean you’re weak and pathetic.  It just means you haven’t decided you really want to make the trade-offs and lifestyle changes that are needed to lose weight, or that you want to but haven’t yet found a way.  If you’re in the latter category, stick around here, ask questions, and you’ll get lots of good ideas! Chris 262/134/(130-140) started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

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I have been having a conversation with someone who says all there is to losing weight is to eat less and exercise more. This is a frustrating conversation because it’s hard to have a response. I know it’s not just that easy. But he would say you just have to stop eating too much. Push yourself away from the plate. There’s nothing more to it. If you truly wanted to do it, you would. If you find losing weight difficult, it’s because you are making it difficult. The implication is that it’s all my fault because i am weak and pathetic. Is that true? Is there any reply?

I’ll weigh in here too (so to speak). Yes, it really is that simple.  But, just because it’s simple, doesn’t mean that it’s easy. By way of analogy, quitting cigarettes is as simple as "just not smoking"…but, it sure isn’t easy, because it requires willpower, dedication, and a strong desire to make a change in lifestyle. In some significant ways, losing weight is even harder than quitting tobacco.  Nobody *needs* tobacco, but we all need to eat in order to live. Listen to the advice you’ve been offered here (especially, Delenn’s), and think about how you can work those lifestyle changes into your own life. Don’t worry about "success" at first…it’s a long journey, and you’ll probably spend some time on the path, and some times you’ll get off of it. But, just keep plugging away, and make a "healthy lifestyle" part of your inner definition of who you are, and you should see progress. Best of luck. GG

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I have been having a conversation with someone who says all there is to losing weight is to eat less and exercise more. This is a frustrating conversation because it’s hard to have a response. I know it’s not just that easy. But he would say you just have to stop eating too much. Push yourself away from the plate. There’s nothing more to it. If you truly wanted to do it, you would. If you find losing weight difficult, it’s because you are making it difficult.

Theoretically he is perfectly correct. The implication is that it’s all my fault because i am weak and pathetic. Is that true? Is there any reply?

No.  The fault is not that you are weak and pathetic.  The fault is probably that you haven’t yet made the real connection between the immediate pay-off of the excess calories and the ultimate pay-off of the benefits in health and aethetics which not eating the excess calories brings.  This is a very difficult connection to make.  It works in theory, but is difficult to ascribe to the piece of cheesecake or the bacon sandwich. Beating yourself up about your excess weight will not make it easier to deal with it.  Loving yourself enough to want to be the best you may be a better option. Moira, the Faerie Godmother Day 21 of my new WOL 136.8kg/131kg/90kg

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Take some time to figure out what is keeping you from eating less and exercising more.  Compare how much do you want to not be fat to how much you still want to be fat.  The book "Fattitudes" by Jeff Wilbert will help you start to look at that very point.  IMHO the more you get your head into the game, the easier the rest becomes.  It’s not an overnight process, but a lifelong journey of steps taken one at a time.

Good point, Jenn. Moira, the Faerie Godmother Day 21 of my new WOL 136.8kg/131kg/90kg

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I have been having a conversation with someone who says all there is to losing weight is to eat less and exercise more. This is a frustrating conversation because it’s hard to have a response. I know it’s not just that easy. But he would say you just have to stop eating too much. Push yourself away from the plate. There’s nothing more to it. If you truly wanted to do it, you would. If you find losing weight difficult, it’s because you are making it difficult. The implication is that it’s all my fault because i am weak and pathetic. Is that true? Is there any reply?

Plenty of responses so far.  Now here’s mine: Eat less, exercise more is the basis of any diet IMHO.  It’s how I’ve lost weight at least three times in the past 12 years.  I’m on the diet wagon again, and hopefully this time I can keep it off as soon as I lose it.  We’ll see what happens. Of course, "eating less" doesn’t mean eating three hamburgers a day instead of four, or eating four bags of M&M’s a day instead of five.  You can only eat a certain amount of fat grams a day (as I’m doing) or limit your calories. As for exercise, it’s hard for the first two weeks.  After that, it gets much easier.  I’m to the point where I actually look forward to going to the gym, and I get mad at myself if I don’t. Good luck to you. Jay

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I started this journey in May, 2004 and I’m still working on the "repeat, forever" steps.

Correction, that’s May, 2002. Delenn

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Ahhh… the much debated topic! I don’t think we’ll truly have an answer until much more research is done, and we have a better understanding of metabolism and variations in genetics. There’s no question in my mind that metabolism is a factor (ie. how we each metabolise the macronutrients fat, protien, and carbs)… but the question is "how much" of a factor is it?? Right now, ‘eat less, exercise more’ is a good basis to work from (the best thing going), but rarely do the words "eat less", "exercise more" and "simple"  belong together in the same sentence. Not only can it be a difficult thing to *do*, but even the top experts disagree on *how* best to do it (ie. how best to eat and exercise). Ratio of macro nutrients, effects of sleep (and lack thereof), saity of food, efficienty of metabolism, blood sugar (glucose) and insuline/hormone respone and it affect on the body, body composition (fat vs. muscle), mood, free radicals through diet and exercise, neuro chemicals in our brain… so many things we don’t fully understand… yet appear to be so important… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have been having a conversation with someone who says all there is to losing weight is to eat less and exercise more. This is a frustrating conversation because it’s hard to have a response. I know it’s not just that easy. But he would say you just have to stop eating too much. Push yourself away from the plate. There’s nothing more to it. If you truly wanted to do it, you would. If you find losing weight difficult, it’s because you are making it difficult. The implication is that it’s all my fault because i am weak and pathetic. Is that true? Is there any reply?

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It is that simple, but you’ve got to decide to do it.  And deciding to eat less and exercise more means choosing an entirely different lifestyle – which means you have to choose it over and over again six or seven times a day.

Good point. Moira, the Faerie Godmother

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6 strategies for successful weight loss

January 16, 2005 by admin Leave a Comment

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6 strategies for successful weight loss By Mayo Clinic staff By now you’ve heard this weight-loss mantra many times: Eat less, exercise more. This concept – underscored by the departments of Agriculture and Health and Human Services in their 2005 Dietary Guidelines for Americans – is simple. But many find it difficult to put into practice. Every day, you find yourself in all kinds of situations in which it’s difficult to eat less. If you’re like many people, you’ve thought about how you can make it all work. You really do want to lose that extra weight, but you still have to find a way that works in your own situation. Otherwise, you’ll just slip back and find more excuses. And any weight you may have lost will jump right back on the minute you give up. You also probably know that virtually hundreds of different fad diets, weight-loss programs and outright scams promise quick and easy weight loss. But the foundation of every successful weight-loss program still remains a healthy diet combined with exercise. You must make permanent changes in your lifestyle and health habits to lose significant weight and then keep it off. Here are six effective strategies to help you meet and maintain your weight-loss goals. 1. Make a commitment Achieving and maintaining your healthy weight requires a lifelong commitment. It requires concentration, time and effort. Make sure that you’re ready to make the necessary permanent changes and that you do so for the right reasons. No one else can make you lose weight. In fact, external pressure – often from people closest to you – may actually make matters worse. You must want to make diet and exercise changes to please yourself. As you’re planning to launch new weight-related lifestyle changes, try to resolve any other problems that may be in your life. It takes considerable mental and physical energy to change your habits. So make sure you aren’t distracted by other major issues in your life, such as marital or financial problems. Timing is key to success. You need to be at a point in your life when you’re ready to take on the challenges of serious weight loss. Keep in mind that no matter how prepared you may be, you’ll occasionally overeat or eat foods that you should avoid. Rather than let a setback derail your efforts, accept that it happened and get back on track. Don’t expect to be perfect – and never give up. Motivate yourself by focusing on all of the benefits of losing weight, such as having more energy and improving your health. Then look at the negatives, such as finding the time to exercise, and come up with creative solutions. Are you ready to lose weight? 2. Draw on support from others Ultimately, only you can help yourself lose weight, so you have to take responsibility for your own behavior. But that doesn’t mean that you have to do everything alone. Seek support from your spouse, family and friends. Pick people who you know want only the best for you and who will encourage you. Your support person or persons should be available to listen to your thoughts and feelings and encourage you, perhaps spend time exercising with you, and share the priority you’ve placed on developing a healthier lifestyle. An ideal support person might be someone who also is participating in a weight-loss program. Some people fare better with professional support, such as from a dietitian or personal trainer. Others benefit from the group support they receive from organizations such as Weight Watchers or Overeaters Anonymous. If you do join a group, keep in mind that what you get out of it will be in proportion to what you put into it. If you sit in a corner and just listen, you may hear some good suggestions. But if you actively participate, you’re more likely to reap the potential rewards of the group, such as support, encouragement, feeling that you’re not alone and helpful suggestions specific to your concerns. 3. Set a realistic goal When you’re thinking about what you expect from your new eating and exercise plan, be realistic. Healthy weight loss occurs slowly and steadily. Aim to lose 1 to 2 pounds a week. To do this, you need to burn 500 to 1,000 calories a day through a low-calorie diet and regular exercise. Losing weight more rapidly means losing water weight or muscle tissue, rather than fat. Set weekly or monthly goals and track your progress. Remember that you’re in this for the long haul. Anything you undertake too intensely or too vigorously quickly becomes too onerous, so you’re more likely to give up. In addition, make your goals "process goals," such as eating judiciously and exercising regularly, rather than "outcome goals," such as losing 50 pounds. Changing your process – your habits – is the key to weight loss. Make sure that your process goals are realistic, specific and measurable – you’ll walk for 30 minutes a day, five days a week. Work out a strategy that gradually changes the habits and attitudes that may have undermined your past efforts to lose weight. Choose a definite start date. Consider where, how often and how long you’ll exercise. Determine a realistic eating plan that factors in plenty of water, fruits and vegetables. Write everything down. Find the potential roadblocks, and make plans to deal with them. Ask your doctor how much weight you can safely lose. Your doctor may refer you to a dietitian or someone else who specializes in weight loss. 4. Learn to enjoy healthier foods Liquid meals, diet pills and unusual combinations of foods aren’t the key to long-term weight control and better health. Instead, learn how to eat a variety of healthy foods. Adopting a new eating style that promotes a healthy weight for you must include lowering your total calorie intake. But decreasing calories need not mean decreasing taste, satisfaction or even ease of meal preparation. One way you can lower your calorie intake is by eating more plant-based foods – fruits, vegetables and whole grains. Strive for variety to help you achieve your goals without compromising taste or nutrition. Cutting back on calories is easier if you focus on limiting fat. To lose weight, talk to your doctor about setting these daily calorie goals: Your weight in pounds Daily calorie goal Women Men 250 or less 1,200 1,400 251 to 300 1,400 1,600 301 or more 1,600 1,800 Over time, your calorie needs may change based on your health risks, the rate of weight loss desired or needed, and your personal goals and preferences. You can adjust your calories if you’re too hungry or if you have reached your target weight and want to stop losing. Very-low-calorie diets aren’t a healthy long-term strategy. Fewer than 1,200 calories a day for women and 1,400 calories for men aren’t generally recommended. If your calories are too low, you run the risk of not getting all of the nutrients you need for good health. It’s usually best to talk to your doctor or a registered dietitian before starting any weight-loss plan. A weight-loss specialist can help guide you in making the healthiest, most effective and safest food choices based on your individual needs. 5. Get active, stay active Dieting alone can help you lose weight. Cutting 250 calories from your daily diet can help you lose about half a pound a week: 3,500 calories equals 1 pound of fat. But add a 30-minute brisk walk four days a week, and you can double your rate of weight loss. The goal of exercise for weight loss is to burn more calories, although exercise offers many other benefits as well. How many calories you burn depends on the frequency, duration and intensity of your activities. For many people it’s easier to keep a routine of longer-duration, lower-intensity aerobic exercises. One of the best ways to lose body fat is through steady aerobic exercise – such as walking – for more than 30 minutes most days of the week. Strength-training exercises, such as weight training, also are important since they help counteract muscle loss associated with aging. And since muscle tissue burns more calories, muscle mass is a key factor in helping maintain a healthy weight. The more lean muscle mass you preserve, the bigger "engine" in which to burn more calories. Exercise sensibly by starting out slowly and gradually increasing both its duration and intensity. Walking is an ideal choice as are swimming, bicycling, jogging and dancing. Decide, too, if you prefer to exercise alone or with others. Often, having a buddy helps you stick to your schedule. Even though regularly scheduled aerobic exercise is best for losing fat, any extra movement helps burn calories. Lifestyle activities may be easier to incorporate into your day. Think about ways you could increase your physical activity throughout the day. For example, make several trips up and down stairs instead of using the elevator, or park at the far end of the lot. Stair climbing, walking, gardening, lawn mowing and even housework all help burn calories. 6. Change your lifestyle It’s not enough to eat healthy foods and exercise for only a few weeks or even several months. You have to incorporate these behaviors into your life. To do that, you have to change the behaviors that helped make you overweight in the first place. Lifestyle changes start with taking an honest look at your eating habits and daily routine. To assess your eating behaviors, ask yourself if you tend to eat when you’re bored, angry, tired, anxious, depressed or socially pressured. Look at your eating style and shopping and cooking techniques. Were you taught to clean your plate? Do you eat too fast? Do you eat while watching TV? See if any patterns emerge to identify possible triggers for overeating. After assessing your personal challenges to weight loss, try working out a strategy to gradually change habits and attitudes that have sabotaged your past efforts. Simply admitting your own challenges won’t get you past them entirely. But it helps in planning how you’ll deal with them and … read more »

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – To my surprise, this is a very sane and sensible advice. Why be surprised?  I guess it’s fashionable to assume that random websites and fad diets offer better advice than the medical establishment, but I’ve always been dubious about that. Anyway, I thought it was an excellent article.  I’ve saved it for a friend who has asked me to help her get started losing some weight. Chris 262/134/(130-140) started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

I’ve always found the Mayo Clinic to be an excellent source for medical advice and information.  I’ve trusted them with my life a few times now. They’re not into fringe or radical ideas though they do some excellent cutting edge research.  My FIL had some experimental surgery there decades ago that is now very commonplace. Jenn

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To my surprise, this is a very sane and sensible advice.

Why be surprised?  I guess it’s fashionable to assume that random websites and fad diets offer better advice than the medical establishment, but I’ve always been dubious about that. Anyway, I thought it was an excellent article.  I’ve saved it for a friend who has asked me to help her get started losing some weight.   Chris 262/134/(130-140) started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

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Can someone please email me diet

January 5, 2005 by admin Leave a Comment

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I would like to receive a copy of the latest WW diet plan.  Can someone email me a copy, please.  Thanks a lot.

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You must be kidding.

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I would like to receive a copy of the latest WW diet plan.  Can someone email me a copy, please.  Thanks a lot.

www.fuckingoogleitjerk.com Good luck with that. We all paid – but you should get it for nothing. Lynne

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I must admit, being a WW staff.. overworked and underpaid.. I find this highly disturbing.. For only about 10$ a week (give or take 3 $ in the States I don’t know about elsewhere) you get the best weight loss program AND the meeting, AND the support of trained staff that are devoted (nobody’s there for the cash, believe me) AND the material you need… I’ve looked around at the price of other programs.. and we ARE cheap.. I’ve been saving load of money since I decided to get healthy… Considering the money I DON"t put on junk food and eating out (not to mention cigarettes) I’m actually saving money… Getting the program "free" IS stealing…  no matter how one tries to justify it. It’s the first and last time I speak out about this.. just keep in mind that the "corporatives" at WW won’t cut the loss out of their paycheck.. it’s the little dummy at the end of the line that will pay for it.. leaders and receptionists (and ultimately members).. when you get to a meeting and the line is sooooooooo long… think about why they down-staffed.. I’m done ranting.. — Will~ 196.2 / 131.8 / 137 lbs 89 / 59.8 / 62.1 Kg Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to receive a copy of the latest WW diet plan.  Can someone email me a copy, please.  Thanks a lot.

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I must admit, being a WW staff.. overworked and underpaid.. I find this highly disturbing.. For only about 10$ a week (give or take 3 $ in the States I don’t know about elsewhere) you get the best weight loss program AND the meeting, AND the support of trained staff that are devoted (nobody’s there for the cash, believe me) AND the material you need…

You’re absolutely right. Here in The Netherlands a WI costs 9 euros (US$ 12,26 at the current exchange rate). I’ve looked around at the price of other programs.. and we ARE cheap..

When I look at the price of, for instance, Slimfast products WW is cheap indeed. I’ve been saving load of money since I decided to get healthy… Considering the money I DON"t put on junk food and eating out (not to mention cigarettes) I’m actually saving money…

Absolutely true. Getting the program "free" IS stealing…  no matter how one tries to justify it.

True. It’s the first and last time I speak out about this.. just keep in mind that the "corporatives" at WW won’t cut the loss out of their paycheck.. it’s the little dummy at the end of the line that will pay for it.. leaders and receptionists (and ultimately members).. when you get to a meeting and the line is sooooooooo long… think about why they down-staffed.. I’m done ranting..

Thanks for sharing. Ekko 247/222/198

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I would like to receive a copy of the latest WW diet plan.  Can someone email me a copy, please.  Thanks a lot.

No.  Do as all the rest of us did: go and join WW and BUY the stuff you need out of your hard earned paycheck.  Anything else is copyright theft. — Kate  XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!

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I would like to receive a copy of the latest WW diet plan.  Can someone email me a copy, please.  Thanks a lot.

I think the books only cost about $8-10 each (2 of them will do ya).  You get the Fast Food Resturant Book and the Food Companion (for foods you eat at home) and you get a slide rule for foods that might not be listed but have the calories and such listed on the package.  You can go to one meeting ($10-14 for the meeting) and buy these materials and be on your way and do the rest at home.  Then I would read in here and go to the websites listed on the Introduction thread. I guess I’ve never seen anyone refuse help to anyone else in here before and I’m baffled as to the reaction of this thread.  I agree stealing is stealing, but geesh counting calories has been around 4-ever.  If someone wants some kind of guidance, why not help out if you can? Please don’t flame the crap out of me.  Maybe the woman just hit a nerve, maybe she can’t afford it, but she can ask and hope that someone will at least point her in the right direction — huh? I guess I’m just stunned because everyone has always been so helpful to me in the past.  Am I missing something here? ~D~

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to receive a copy of the latest WW diet plan.  Can someone email me a copy, please.  Thanks a lot. I think the books only cost about $8-10 each (2 of them will do ya).  You get the Fast Food Resturant Book and the Food Companion (for foods you eat at home) and you get a slide rule for foods that might not be listed but have the calories and such listed on the package.  You can go to one meeting ($10-14 for the meeting) and buy these materials and be on your way and do the rest at home.  Then I would read in here and go to the websites listed on the Introduction thread. I guess I’ve never seen anyone refuse help to anyone else in here before and I’m baffled as to the reaction of this thread.  I agree stealing is stealing, but geesh counting calories has been around 4-ever.  If someone wants some kind of guidance, why not help out if you can? Please don’t flame the crap out of me.  Maybe the woman just hit a nerve, maybe she can’t afford it, but she can ask and hope that someone will at least point her in the right direction — huh? I guess I’m just stunned because everyone has always been so helpful to me in the past.  Am I missing something here? ~D~

Asking where to find the information (and you told them this quite nicely) is very different from asking a bunch of total strangers to pass on for free what they paid for.  What got up my nose was the cheek of it. — Kate  XXXXXX Lady Catherine, Wardrobe Mistress of the Chocolate Buttons http://www.diceyhome.free-online.co.uk Click on Kate’s Pages and explore!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I guess I’ve never seen anyone refuse help to anyone else in here before and I’m baffled as to the reaction of this thread.  I agree stealing is stealing, but geesh counting calories has been around 4-ever.  If someone wants some kind of guidance, why not help out if you can? Please don’t flame the crap out of me.  Maybe the woman just hit a nerve, maybe she can’t afford it, but she can ask and hope that someone will at least point her in the right direction — huh? I guess I’m just stunned because everyone has always been so helpful to me in the past.  Am I missing something here? ~D~ Asking where to find the information (and you told them this quite nicely) is very different from asking a bunch of total strangers to pass on for free what they paid for.  What got up my nose was the cheek of it.

I agree with Kate wholeheartedly.  If a regular wanted information about where to get the books, or info on the finer points of the program, no problem.  When someone completely unknown wants the group to "email the latest diet plan" to them (impossible, since as far as I know it’s not really in an email-able format anyway), well, that’s a bit rich.  Stick around, learn some stuff, read the FAQ, buy the books of ebay, whatever. Just don’t expect us to drop everything and help someone we know nothing about (and someone we’ll probably never hear from again). — Julie. 93.5/73.9/74 (WW)/72 (Personal) kg 205.7/162.6/162.8 (WW)/158 (Personal) lb Here’s our FAQ: http://www.didian.com/asdww/ and welcome notice: http://www.geocities.com/welcomenotice/index.html

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what you are missing is that we want to help those who help themselves, there was no introduction, I tried, I did, I don’t have.  The nerve is that information is out there but there was no mention of an attempt that this poster tried to get it before asking, best of luck, Lee

Whew! Okay, I get it now.  Thanks Miss Violette, JulieB and Kate. ~D~

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You are most welcome, We are for the most part an extraordinarily agreeable group, in fact, I read many news groups and only post to 3, I used to post to more but got to upset at flame wars.  I love the  ones I do post to, Lee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what you are missing is that we want to help those who help themselves, there was no introduction, I tried, I did, I don’t have.  The nerve is that information is out there but there was no mention of an attempt that this poster tried to get it before asking, best of luck, Lee Whew! Okay, I get it now.  Thanks Miss Violette, JulieB and Kate. ~D~

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what you are missing is that we want to help those who help themselves, there was no introduction, I tried, I did, I don’t have.  The nerve is that information is out there but there was no mention of an attempt that this poster tried to get it before asking, best of luck, Lee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I would like to receive a copy of the latest WW diet plan.  Can someone email me a copy, please.  Thanks a lot. I think the books only cost about $8-10 each (2 of them will do ya).  You get the Fast Food Resturant Book and the Food Companion (for foods you eat at home) and you get a slide rule for foods that might not be listed but have the calories and such listed on the package.  You can go to one meeting ($10-14 for the meeting) and buy these materials and be on your way and do the rest at home.  Then I would read in here and go to the websites listed on the Introduction thread. I guess I’ve never seen anyone refuse help to anyone else in here before and I’m baffled as to the reaction of this thread.  I agree stealing is stealing, but geesh counting calories has been around 4-ever.  If someone wants some kind of guidance, why not help out if you can? Please don’t flame the crap out of me.  Maybe the woman just hit a nerve, maybe she can’t afford it, but she can ask and hope that someone will at least point her in the right direction — huh? I guess I’m just stunned because everyone has always been so helpful to me in the past.  Am I missing something here? ~D~

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especially when the at home program is so very reasonable, Lee

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I must admit, being a WW staff.. overworked and underpaid.. I find this highly disturbing.. For only about 10$ a week (give or take 3 $ in the States I don’t know about elsewhere) you get the best weight loss program AND the meeting, AND the support of trained staff that are devoted (nobody’s there for the cash, believe me) AND the material you need… I’ve looked around at the price of other programs.. and we ARE cheap.. I’ve been saving load of money since I decided to get healthy… Considering the money I DON"t put on junk food and eating out (not to mention cigarettes) I’m actually saving money… Getting the program "free" IS stealing…  no matter how one tries to justify it. It’s the first and last time I speak out about this.. just keep in mind that the "corporatives" at WW won’t cut the loss out of their paycheck.. it’s the little dummy at the end of the line that will pay for it.. leaders and receptionists (and ultimately members).. when you get to a meeting and the line is sooooooooo long… think about why they down-staffed.. I’m done ranting.. — Will~ 196.2 / 131.8 / 137 lbs 89 / 59.8 / 62.1 Kg Personal goal 125 lbs / 56.7 Kg I would like to receive a copy of the latest WW diet plan.  Can someone email me a copy, please.  Thanks a lot.

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